I have never even heard of it. Repeated exposure of the eyes to a low level of dust can produce eye irritation. Now considering we are RODMAKERS, the keepers of the keys as it were who concern ourselves with planing strips to within 0.001" and agonize over the colour of wraps on vintage rods and other details I should have thought that people would have been interested in knowing the true colour of the glue lines of Garrison's and other's rods rather than continue under a misunderstanding of such a basic thing but it seems I'm wrong. I still can't figure out what colors puce, or sea foam, or unicorn's hair are. I’m looking for info about Resorcinol glue, I came across this web site for aircraft building supplies. There are some splotches on that rod, too. They can be reached at 800-861-3192, or at aircraftspruce.com. Uncured resorcinol has a relatively short shelf life of about two to three years, depending on storage temperature. You can end up squeezing out most of the epoxy and have a very weak joint that looks nice. I have been told by another rodmaker who did try it, that after a few years the base color of the resorcinol bleeds thru, an eventually the glue lines turn dark. It is a good bet the oil based stains would not, at least some of them. Looks like resorcinol  is the only glue that can be "seen". Maybe if I get some good feedback on how to eliminate the powder -- and thus much of the resulting increase in rod diameter across the flats -- I'll try it on a personal rod. 1-16 of 73 results for "resorcinol glue" Skip to main search results Eligible for Free Shipping. scaling, reddening, or, occasionally, blistering. I have planned on sacrificing the first coat of varnish at times. Notice the black or reddish glue line . Repeated skin exposure can produce local skin destruction, or dermatitis. Failure can cross the glue line, but the glue line cannot be the failure point. -- The Vampire jet was built in 1948, these old boats I used to work on were all well over 50 years old. Let you know what they say, since I'm not clear looking at their site listing again. I probably missed most of this conversation anyway, like most guys when talking goes on they're not too interested in. (Tom Smithwick). you can straighten out out twists after weeks. (Chris Obuchowski), Wear gloves. A light duty staple gun such as the Arrow JT21 works very well. I haven't tried it on a rod though. Repeated exposure to a highly toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs". I can send you some paraformaldehyde if you want to experiment. (John Channer). Has anyone tried to replace the powdered component of Resorcinol? I’ll try to post some pictures later today, but I don’t own one of the rods with the true purple color. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. Advantages. I would wait a couple more days. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. You should note that the color of Cascophen (as is that of Aerodux) is brown and NOT the famed red/wine of a 'true' resorcinol. Anything at 5% or under is considered excessively dry & liable to spontaneously combust. I suspect the long nose of nanny government in the recent change, but that may just be the paranoia of a grumpy old SOB, too. Or are all finishes essentially  "top" coats. (Paul Julius), Tips Home - What's New - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - Contact Us - Taper Archives Advantages of Melamine Glue. All exterior/marine/aircraft ply is glued with resorcinol. Also note tests conducted by a list member, whose name I apologize for not recalling immediately, suggesting URAC rods are slightly stiffer than those glued with other adhesives. for pricing and availability. Everett Garrison and Bill Phillipson didn't have any problems with it, but H-I and South Bend either couldn't get it off or couldn't be bothered with it and theirs were flamed. http://www.cpadhesives.com  (1-800-454-4583)  Ask for the rodmakers pack. Any questions? There was no data sheet with the glue. See adhesive for general discussion of glue.. As a courtesy (BE NICE!) (Harry Boyd). The failure should be in the wood each and every time. Interesting reading. A secondary benefit is that it cures at any temp above 50F which means  I can leave everything in the basement shop even in winter. You can’t easily tell, but the claret color persists in the glue lines. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Poor water resistance is rarely a problem with wooden objects intended for indoor use, anyway. (Timothy Troester), Resorcinol is very tolerant to heat have no fears here. It’s tough – so much so that you can boil it for hours with no real detriment. (Brian Creek), The glue showing up on the rod after the varnish was a problem this is what I did. does it have the same character as wood... just a question! Surfaces cut with a sharp blade or saw are good, the pores are open. And my brow gets heavier when I ponder the color puce. Sounds like more bother than it's worth, I'll just stick to Epon. Reading this link seems to confirm it's a paraformaldehyde kicker, not sure that is as easy to come by, or as desirable to have on hand as, ammonium carbonate (that's the kicker for Urac right?) Refrigerating the liquid will lengthen the shelf life. If you like taking a long time to fiddle with the blank, this is not the glue for you. I've refinished plenty of cheap old rods that had glue residue left on the surface under the original finish, as far as I could tell there wasn't any worse finish failure in those areas than anywhere else. I don't mind the purple seams. My knuckles still hang just past my knees. There are many different shades of claret, and it must have been confusing to a lot of people - now Uni calls it “Wine.”. When I received it, I was pleasantly surprised to have a quart of each, hardener and resin. As per TechSci Research, Resorcinol market is projected to witness a steady CAGR in the coming years and cross USD 1 billion by 2025. Its growing usage in applications such as rubber, wood adhesives, and UV stabilizers coupled with the inherent advantages of the chemical is expected to propel market growth. Makes sense, as Hoagy pretty clearly states that Mr. Garrison was more interested in the glue’s performance than its cosmetic appearance. The most promising technology that is presently being used is a two component resorcinol adhesive. Make practice joints and test them to destruction. From my perspective the fine lines look great on brown toned or flamed rods but not so on blond rods. Resorcinol market by end-user industry (building & construction, healthcare, automotive, electrical & electronics, dyes, explosives and others). CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. A Resorcinol Formaldehyde Adhesive capable of curing at room temperature and providing strong, durable, waterproof bonds. (Chris Obuchowski). I emailed Custom Pak to see if they would fax me one but they did not answer. For small quantities, Aircraft Spruce is the only US distributor dealing in small quantities. I’ve heard some guys say they either wipe their strips with a damp sponge or use a mist sprayer just before gluing with the likes of Cascophen. Mine is also a very dark brown rod so this may also have contributed to the color difference. Somebody looked at it and said something like the glues nice but too bad about the purple colour. Since I didn't need a gallon, I resisted the urge to buy it until I found it on Aircraft Spruce's website, in quart kits, for $65. Excess glue shouldn’t be completely wiped away, as you need glue at the glue line to be absorbed into the wood. Green is green, and Pantone Golf Green 18-5642 TCX don't tell me no different. These are available in gallons for about $160. Model #2505716. But then my ape index, my Cro-magnon skull measurement, hasn't improved far enough with age to suit most people, probably. It is Waterproof with a capital W. Passes the boil test with flying colours, AND has been keeping boats together for a great many years. (Steve Shelton), I don't think 24 hours is quite long enough. It still comes with the powdered filler/catalyst in one can and the liquid resin in the other. The lower rod was glued up 30 years ago. I believe Tioxide are the largest manufacturer in the world of this white pigment 'paint' additive. Another problem I've had with resorcinol is even after sanding the glue off, after varnishing and time somewhere a resorcinol stain shows up on the surface of the rod where I didn't get all of it off. I have a Driggs taper rod made nodeless using resorcinol that's over 15 years old. My main question was really about moisture testing. Could a lighter color glue like unibond be dyed purple. I checked the 1977 first edition, and the description is much the same. I'd place resorcinol at #4695 and consider the colour purple to be around #511. (Tony Young). (Timothy Troester). you will have to be gentle with it. I actually like the way resorcinol looks on a flamed or ammonia toned rod, and it's the only glue I use for gluing up sections. After 24 hours I have it out of the string and sanded. Bob:  received your question about the amount included in the gallon kit of resorcinol. I get real nervous when it comes to heat straightening rod sections, no matter what adhesive I use! (Todd Talsma), Sand/scrape or I use a file. There was some talk about the mixture for this. That glue is Resorcinol or a cousin. Approximately 50% of resorcinol is used in rubber products. I just don't want purple stains all over the flats. If you can see the glue line between the two pieces, the odds are that you still have a nice film of glue in the joint. FWIW I tested some really old DAP resorcinol I had on the basement shelves for at least 10 years. Customer service in Chile is nothing like the US or apparently Australia. If you think you are seeing a twist, you are right. I have measured moisture content by carefully weighing a sample, baking then re-weighing. All in all, the stains worked poorly  on rod shaft - blotchy - may have been problem with glue not totally removed. What's more it says very clearly that this particular resorcinol is two part, a dark wine-coloured liquid and the catalyst. It's my go to rod, has been absolutely thrashed and was once use to fend off a tiger snake (I also ran backwards very quickly with not a single jot of sangfroid remaining), not a thing wrong with the rod. My issue with this has always been one that if a person who has never seen it is told the glue line is purple when it is in fact not that person will continue to say and think resorcinol is purple which is what has been the case to date giving a completely different impression as to the appearance of the rods. based in the UK and about ten miles from my home! No worries with it staining. Good point, Tony. It shows the black glue line, but I chose the particular spot on the shaft because there is an area where I left a trace of glue on the shaft before varnishing. Make some test pieces with different clamp pressures, and see how they break. Proper PPE (respirator, gloves, long sleeved shirt, safety glasses) plus proper material handling, storage, and disposal substantially mitigate the exposure risks below. (Don Anderson), Given that resorcinol is the only colored adhesive, the thought occurred to me to stain the adhesives with oil based "paint" stains and see if one could learn anything. Also watch out for drafts when handling the powder. The following is an excerpt from both the Zing and Cloudster building plans (as of 7/20/2014) : All wood surfaces to be glued must be free or dirt ,sawdust, and oil. I know it is not the same as on the  cans. For myself, I did just purchase a pint kit from Aircraft Spruce, so I'm okay for now. This purple colour thing has come up many times over the years on this list. The Cascophen PRF are the phenol resorcinol resins; there are several. Advantages of Epoxy Countertops and Durability-Epoxy is exceptionally durable and lasts for years; no re-application necessary-Epoxy rarely cracks and it’s almost impossible to destroy short of a natural disaster-No other material compares to epoxy when it comes to maintaining a high-gloss look-Pattern, color and design possibilities are endless I tried it and it works. I wonder if the purple was specific to Weldwood? The most common application for resorcinol glue is in adhering the plies of exterior and marine gradeS of plywood. (Timothy Troester). For glulam beams, Hexion offers more than 16 different phenol resorcinol-based formulations matched to specific processing and performance needs. OK, until just recently almost all of my books were stored in the far left hand corner of a 40-foot container under everything including but not confined to outboard motors and chain saws, LF enlargers and SCUBA gear, life jackets, guitars and stuff in large bags I didn't look in but all safe in new 10 frame bee hive boxes. The dust produced is not fine enough to clog the wood pores and vacuums away readily. Christmas Missives - Chat Room - Photo Galleries - Line Conversions - The Journey - Extreme Rodmaking - Rodmaker's Pictures - Donate - Store, Here is the direct link to alternate resorcinol supplier. I don't know. I like the idea and would like to see it look as authentic as possible. Maybe we just to need to find a chemist and convince him somehow that its worth the effort. My last five rods have been bonded with some resorcinol that I imported from Tony Young (now off the list and on his way to a new life in NZ) and this glue leaves the famed red/wine glue lines. Fast setup time (especially for "Fast" formulation) Fairly expensive; Those dark resorcinol glue lines (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive) (John Smith). They look like exactly the same color as the spots on the newer rod. Glued laminated timber, also abbreviated glulam, is a type of structural engineered wood product constituted by layers of dimensional lumber bonded together with durable, moisture-resistant structural adhesives. Somewhere there must be an optimal time to do this. It is expensive but mine has stayed good a long time (years) kept in the refrigerator. Comes in two parts, a liquid resin (part A) and a powered catalyst (part B). "Moisture content of wood is most important and should be from 8-16%, preferably within the 10-12% range". The Weldwood stuff I have used since I started in the mid 1980’s has looked like #4695. I've heard others complain about this also, and don't know if there's a good solution. 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